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  Cuban Underwater City: update

  by Nathan Natas in

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  link: http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=2039.

  will we ever learn about cuban underwater city?.

  one reason we're not getting more information about what looks like a cuban underwater city is that for paul weinzweig and his wife paulina zelitsky of advanced digital communications (adc), exploring it is only a sidelinethe company has been hired to hunt for shipwrecks filled with gold and jewels, and to find oil and natural gas reserves.

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  Sheesh! Twenty two years ago?

  To be brief, I believe this merits further investigation if and when possible, but this isn't "Atlantis."

  If you want Atlantis, see the Azores Islands.
  
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  Once again, ATLANTIS may have been found

  by Nathan Natas in

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  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3766863.stm

  satellite images 'show atlantis'

  by paul rincon .

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  Gosh, I posted that 20 years ago!

  While it may be for sure that SOMETHING was there off the coast of Spain, I now believe that the civilization we call "Atlantis" absolutely DID EXIST, that it was located in the Atlantic Ocean where the Azores remain today, and that it may have been a victim of what we call the "Younger Dryas Impact Theory."

  I'd let you know what I think 20 years from now, but I'll be dead by then. We all will die someday.
  
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  Ages of each user here?

  by ukpimo in

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  i'm interested to know the age demographics here.

  it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.

  it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.

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  I'll be 75 in a couple of weeks.

  Originally from New York City. I left in the mid-1970s when I learned that there was a SERIAL PEDOPHILE in the Middle Village congregation in Queens. The elders covered up the scandal and allowed the pedophile to teach from the platform, lead the congregation in prayer, etc. I learned that years later this POS began partaking at the Memorial! When I learned of the cover-up I realized that there was no righteousness in The Watchtower.

  So I've been OUT for about 50 years... best life EVER! I've been here for 23 years so far...
  
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  Who Was The Biggest Jackass Circuit Overseer You Ever Met?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  there was on older white-haired circuit overseer in houston around 1989 or 1990. last name started with a w i think.... not sure though.

  even the most brain-dead robotic elders told me he was offensive.

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  I have to nominate Stanley F'in Weigel for this honor. He served in NYC during the 60s-7-s (time approximate). I think my friend ShirleyW will remember him. Shirley and I didn't know each other back then, but I met her on Six Screens and from her comments realized we were contemporaries.

  Weigel was a really puffed-up piece of work, full of himself and eager to publicly embarass ANY member of the congregation for any minor reason. Being a total P.O.S., he floated toward the top of the Watchtower cistern, becoming something like City Servant last I heard. By now I'm sure he's dead, and millions are grateful.

  On the opposite side of the spectrum we have Paul Haviland, who seemed to be a very good man.
  
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  Former Lancaster, PA Elder convicted of child sexual abuse of multiple victims .......

  by WingCommander in

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  another creepy pervert elder convicted of multiple counts of child sexual abuse in pennsylvania.

  this guy moved from puerto rico to lancaster, pa in the 1990's, worked his way up thru to being an elder, and then used his position to babysit families with children and abuse them.

  he then denied everything, but when some victims went to the police, he fled back to pr, where us marshall's eventually caught up to him and arrested him.

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  The RANGE???

  You mean you have an outdoor stove that you have to travel to get to???

  
  
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by Freeatlast2024 in

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  this is my first time posting to this forum.

  let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.

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  Yes, Don Cameron's book is excellent.

  "COAC" gave me the idea to launch my own "replica reprint" career.

  Over at Six Screens right now (May 2024), Rick is giving away a few copies of "Captives Of A Concept".
  
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by Freeatlast2024 in

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  this is my first time posting to this forum.

  let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.

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  WELCOME FreeAtLast2024! "Making shiy up" is what religion is all about.

  Ray's book was a magnificent act of contrition on his part, and it helped many people see what he finally understood.

  "But BEWARE, beloved ones!"
  

  It is appropriate to be grateful for the gift he gave, but don't join The Ray Franz Fan Club.

  I left the JWs before Ray did, and before he himself left, Ray would probably disfellowship me for discovering in the early 1970s that The WTB&TS (as represented by the elders of the Middle Village Congregation, Queens, NYC) protected pedophiles. This audacious pedophile was unpunished and rose in that congregation and started partaking during the Memorial! Ray Franz has been criticized for claiming ignorance of The Society;s pedophile problem, even AFTER he wrote CoC.

  Point is, Ray was no more perfect than you or I or anyone else. He was a man who told his story fearlessly.

  We can be like him in that respect. That may be a good tribute to him.
  
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  40 Years Ago Today: May 15th 1984 "1914 Generation" issue was released. False prophecy, thy name is WatchTower.

  by WingCommander in

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  it's incredible how this cover, and also this "series" of watchtower's is burned into my mind.

  i was almost 5 years old when these were released.

  “1914 and you” — may 1, 1984 watchtower.

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  GOOD WORK! THIS is why you are a Wing Commander!

  
  
  
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

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  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  DesirousOfChange queried, "Are you sure that WT hasn't already abandoned 607?"
  
  Good point! There are two kinds of abandonment in this case: A. neglect, as we see now, with the Celebrated Bible Scholars failing to mention the doctrine, hoping no one will notice (but we do), and B. Official "New Light" with a "scholarly" article in some JW media about how THIS replaces THAT. An example would be when the Celebrated Bible Scholar Joey Rutherford dismissed the WT doctrine about the Giza pyramid being "The Bible in Stone." That ridiculous doctrine was very similar to the 607 doctrine in that the only people to whom it mattered were Servants of Jah, the rest of the world knew BS when they smelled it.
  
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

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  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  NotFormer declared, "...the Napoleonic wars were pretty vast in scope, involving a lot of nations of the time..."
  
  And IN FACT, the early WT used Napoleon as the "pivot man" for their "Bible Based Chronology."